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In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Dispenser of Mercy
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From ‘Abdul-‘Azeez bin ‘Abdullah Ibn Baaz, to the respected and honourable sons from the callers to Allah – Glory be to Him – in the country of Kuwait, may Allah assist them in that which contains His Pleasure, and increase them in knowledge and Imaan, Ameen.
Salaamun ‘Alaikum wa-raHmatullahi wa-barakaatuhu, to proceed.
The following is taken from Fatawa al-Lajnah ad-Da’imah (2/238-239):
Q: The groups and sects that are present today, I mean: al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun, Jamaa’at at-Tabligh, Jama’at Ansaar as-Sunnah al-Muhammadiyyah, al-Jam’iyyah al-Shar’iyyah, the Salafis, and those called al-Takfeer wal-Hijrah…These and other groups are all present in Egypt. My question is, what should be the position of the Muslim towards them? Does the following hadith of Hudhayfah apply to them: “So avoid all those groups, even if you have to bite on to the root of a tree until death reaches you in that state”? It was reported by Muslim in the Sahih.
Some interesting quotes here from a translated article on Sahab about Abdullah al-Sabt and al-Madkhali:
Sabt: So Jarh wa Ta’deel should be taken from the senior scholars only. The likes of Shaykh Bin Baaz, Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Al Albani, Salih Al Fawzan, ‘Abdul Muhsin Al ‘Abbad, As-Shaykh ‘Abdallah Al Ghudayan and the great scholars. As for the likes of me and who resemble me then do not take Jarh wa Ta’deel from us. We can only convey and cannot pass rulings. Meaning – when you ask me about fulan, I will convey the speech of scholars but from myself I cannot pass rulings because I do not belong from the people of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Sabt: So we advise our brothers because a lot of Fitnah has spread, may it be in Yemen or in Algeria or in Azerbaijan or in Kazakhstan … in the Caucasus now there is Fitnah and troubles: this one is an innovator, that one is that.
And on the internet it is much more and you do not know who the speaker is. And what if the writer on the internet is a Jew, who knows? So taking knowledge and building rulings should be taken from senior people of knowledge if you were able to reach knowledge of the elders.
And then they may be lying: Ibn Baaz said.
We say to them: come out with it, bring the evidence (say: bring your evidence if you really are truthful)
As for listening to these young youth then no, it’s not allowed, because they demolished Algeria, and demolished Madina Al Munawwara, and demolished the country of Russia and what surrounds it. They demolished a lot of countries so it is not allowed to give them hearing.
Sabt: Is it clear or do they need any more researching?
Is this clear to them and do they not have anything else for asking?
Translator: (asks those attending if they have any questions)
Sabt: Meaning – we say to them: now you are young, so do not get involved in matters of the elders. Like how Shaykh Al Albani said: “I am amazed at the youth of the Islamic call, they abandon what they are capable of and they get involved in what they are not capable of.”
Now is not your time to make rulings of Takfeer and Tasfeeq, this matter is for the elders.
You are able to call towards Allah the Most-High, to seek Islamic knowledge.
A lot of youth even those now amongst you, you find him speaking in matters of Takfeer and Tabdee’ but if you asked him about the nullifiers of ablution? He would not know.
This is the problem in out times.
Translator: (he began translating and added a little something from himself)
One of those attending questions in Russian: where he named some Scholars: Al Albani, Al ‘Abbad, Al Ghudayan.
So is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’ Al Madkhali because now there is a lot of Fitnah?
Translator: He said O! Shaykh a question related to the same topic:
Did you understand?
He said: We heard names that are famous Allah willing – meaning – the speech is clear.
Meaning – does this speech apply to, is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’?
Sabt: There are requirements for the scholar of Jarh wa Ta’deel that he must meet.
Second: Wisdom; which is withholding with patience, derivation and validation (Tathabut).
Like how the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: inform the peopleý
‘Ali bin Abi Talib said: “Speak or inform people according to their intelligence capabilities. Do you like for them that they lie upon Allah and His Messenger?”
Ash-Shaykh Rabee’ may have knowledge, only he does not have wisdom that makes him when to say and when not to say. He does not validate (Tathabut).
And the most famous example about that is; that Shaykh Rabee’ (may Allah preserve him) – and he is my peer – praised shaykh Faalih a lot and we know Faalih from the time that we were with Juhaiman’s group.
You may have heard of this Juhaiman’s group?
When I was with them, Faalih was also at that time.
Faalih is an ‘Aamee (normal) person, he does not understand anything.
But because he (Faalih) was stern on Ikhwanul Muslimeem, Shaykh Rabee’ praised him and made him into an Imam from the Imams of Jarh wa Ta’deel. And then his (Faalih’s) arrogance took over him so he began slandering Shaykh Rabee’. And now on the internet Faalih curses Rabee’ everyday. But we did not see from the students of Al ‘Abbad, Ibn ‘Utahaymeen and others to have turned. This is because Al ‘Abbad does not praise except in proportion and so do Ibn ‘Uthaymeen and Al Albani.
So we say that we respect Shaykh Rabee’ but we do not take his statement about Rijaal (people) because he does not validate (Tathabut) whereas he only believes (Usadiq).
Meaning – if you came to him (Shaykh) saying about fulan: he will believe him. [May be he (Sabt) means to say ‘he will believe you‘]
And then that one came and said: he believes.
An Imam does not believe all the people.
An Imam is like an ocean, everything falls into it.
And he extracts from it what he needs, not what the youth want.
So we respect Shaykh Rabee’ and he is my peer but the truth is more deserving of being followed.
Sabt(interrupting): Note; Shaykh Rabee’ was from the Ikhwanul Muslimeen long time before he became a Salafi. And for that reason all the old books of Shaykh Rabee’ are filled with quotations from Sayid Qutb, and this is present.
Translator: (he began to translate and added something bad about the honour of the noble scholar; Ar-Rabee’)
Shaykh Rabee: “I was never an Ikhwani; ever. But I went with them for an interval with the condition that they would expel people of innovation from their rows. And with the condition that; they would bring up the youth upon the Salafi Methodology. And I used to accompany those from them who attach themselves to the Salafi Methodology and not with those from the people of innovation. And likes of this was done by some of the Salafis, and from them was Shaykh Al Albani. So will you say O ‘Adnan that Shaykh Al Albani was an Ikhwani or from Ikhwan?! And will you demand his (Albani’s) recantation?” -End.
Sabt: Books of Shaykh Rabee’ that refute Sayid Qutb and others I published them, provided that I disagree with him (Shaykh) in his sterness (harshness). But as for the books that I saw to be beneficial, I published.
Translator: Shaykh (to Sabt) even the speech of Al Albani about him (Shaykh) is clear, he (Al Albani) said, “his (Rabee’s) speech is beautiful but – meaning – in it is severity and harshness.”
Sabt: and then we – meaning – with regard to our brother Munajjad, we believe that he has good and truth; so we praised him in that and we believe that he has mistakes in other issues like ‘Amal Al Jama’ee’ (teamwork); we warned from that.
The gang of Jarh wa Ta’deel do not have this method, they have with them either East or either West. And this is not allowed.
Meaning – it is not allowed to waste the good deeds of a person against the mistakes he fell into.
Translator: (began to translate and adds something bad about the honour of the Salafiyeen and those whom he calls the followers of Shaykh Rabee’)
And the reply at the beginning of this audio material where one of the brothers asked As-Sabt in Russian about Al Munajjad:
“Sabt: His (Munajjad’s) ‘Aqidah (creed) is pure. Tell him.
Translator: Al Munajjad.
Sabt: His ‘Aqidah (creed) is sound without Bid’ah (innovation), I benefit from his cassettes. He has a beautiful cassette called ‘In the Market of Daýwah’ by Al Munajjad. It is from the nicest there can be, from the best I have heard.
But the thinking he carries is the same thinking as that of Salman Al ‘Awdah and group, which is the assembling together of all different groups and parties.
As for his ‘Aqidah (creed) it is pure, 100 in 100%.
Returning to the audio:
Sabt: Before they used to praise ‘Ali Hasan ‘Abdul Hameed and the Mashayikh of Jordon, and now they disparage them without change.
Sabt: Let them ask if they have anything.
I say: When the Salafis criticised shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve and guide him), they criticised him for the expressions in his book opposing methodology of the Salaf. And this criticism came about to be public after long patience and when plenty of secret advising had continued for a period of time.
So the reality is that shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi changed his stance on some of the issues of methodology and came with expression that cannot be served in the Salafi methodology. And the one who would like to know more on this issue may refer to what shaykh Dr. Ahmad Bazmool (may Allah preserve him) wrote from the articles on Sahab Al Khair (Sahab.net).
So his (Sabt’s) saying, “and now they disparage them without change” is untrue, and Ahlus-Sunnah are the staunchest of people in uniting and loving but that does not mean that they will keep quite and defend with misguidance, an individual from amongst themselves if he came out with opposition in many issues.
And I would like to clarify an issue which is heard repeatedly that the Salafis are making Tabdee’ of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve him and guide him) on Sahab. And this also is from lies.
And what I would like to remind my brother authors is the need of kindness and softness with those to whom the issue of oppositions of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi against the truth have not become clear yet.
Returning to the audio material:
One of the Arabs attending asks saying: Is it possible for you to expand on the last point which you mentioned; justice being from the rules of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Its must to be just, its imperative for the scholar to be just – meaning
But he thinks about himself to be just, just because he does not validate; he loses it.
And it’s imperative upon him to be just; if not then he cannot become an Imam.
The article is followed by this bit:
This refutation [its Arabic original] was read by Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee – hafidhahu-Allaah – on Friday 12th of rabee’-ul-awwal 1431H, after salat-ul-maghrib, who said:
(It is a knowledge-based refutation and sufficient.)
And he – hafidhahu-Allaah – also said:
(‘Abdullaah As-Sabt is a kadh-dhaab [a liar]!)
And he – hafidhahu-Allaah – was asked:
Should the Russian speaking youth attend classes at his [Sabt’s] maktabah?
So he – hafidhahu-Allaah – said:
(Of course not, this is ma’roof [known/established])
The one who quoted this speech is an Albanian brother who studies in makkah and attends lessons at theShaykh’s – hafidhahu-Allaah. Anyone who wishes to confirm, can call and confirm with the Shaykh – hafidhahu-Allaah.
And Allaah is witness to what I said.
Wa salla-Allaahu ‘alaa nabiyyina Muhammad wa ‘alaa aalihee wa sahbihee wa sallim
Rabi’ al-Madkhali, the conceited innovator whom the devil has mislead and blinded, in one of his private sessions (apart from attacking Ibn Baz) attacked one of the most senior and world renowned scholars, Shaykh ‘Abdullah b. Jibrin – may Allah be merciful with him.
Due to Shaykh Ibn Jibrin’s defence of Islam and its heroes such as the martyr of Islam, Sayyid Qutb – may Allah have mercy on him – Rabi’ al-Madkhali couldn’t contain his anger and in a fit of rage he said the following words regarding the great scholar, Shaykh Abdullah b. Jibrin:
ليس بعالم ، ضيع دينه وإسلامه ، يحارب بالأقمار الصناعية ، لا يصنف في السلفيين ولا العلماء
“He is not a scholar! He has lost his religion and his Islam! He wages war (against Islam) using satellite dishes. He is neither to be counted amongst the Salafis, nor the scholars!”
Click below to listen to this evil innovator yourself:
Who exactly was al-‘Allama Ibn Jibrin? (more…)
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Some youth call Shaykh Sayyid Qutb a heretic and prohibit the reading of his books, and they say a similar statement regarding Hasan al-Banna, as they also say regarding some of the scholars that they are Khawarij. Their argument is that [they do this] in order to ‘expose the errors [of these men] to the people,’. even though [these youth] are until now [only] students [of knowledge]. I hope for a response so that doubt may be removed from us and others, [and] so that this [phenomenon] will not spread.
All praise belongs to Allah alone. To proceed: It is impermissible to [unjustly] call the Muslims heretics or wicked as is evidenced by the statement of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) “Whoever says to his brother ‘O enemy of Allah,’ and he is not such but that it returns back to him.” While in [another] hadith ‘Whoever calls a Muslim an infidel it returns back to one of them.’ While in another hadith: “A man passed by another while he was doing a sin and he said to him, ‘By Allah, Allah will not forgive you.’ So [Allah] said: ‘Who is he who can pass judgment on my behalf that I will not forgive so and so, I have forgiven him and have nullified your deeds.'”
With this I say, Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al-Banna are among the scholars of the Muslims and among the people of da’wa. Allah has brought benefit by them and through them He has guided many people. They both have efforts [for Islam] which should not be denied. For this reason Shaikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz interceded on behalf of Sayyid Qutb when the order for his execution was given. [Ibn Baz] was gentle in his intercession, but President Gamal [Abdel Nasser] did not accept [Ibn Baz’s] intercession, may Allah send upon him [i.e. Abdel Nasser] what he deserves. When both men [i.e Hasan al-Banna & Sayyid Qutb] were killed, each was referred to as a martyr, as each was killed unjustly. This is borne witness to by those close [to them] as well as by the general public. As it was widely spread in the papers and books without anyone ever objecting. Moreover, the scholars have received their books [with acceptance]. No one has attacked them for more than the [last] twenty years. If some [heresy proceeded] from them, then [these mistakes] are similar to an-Nawawi, as-Suyuti, Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn ‘Atiyah, al-Khatabi, al-Qastalani and the likes of many of them. I have read what Shaikh Rabi al-Madkhali has written in his refutation of Sayyid Qutb and I found that he has placed statements where they do not exist. For this reason Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid, may Allah perserve him, refuted him. Likewise, [al-Madkhali’s] unjust attacks of Shaikh ‘Abdur-Rahman [‘Abdul-Khaaliq] and his [twisting ‘Abdur-Rahman ‘Abdul-Khaaliq’s words] in order to find errors which would make [‘Abdur-Rahman ‘Abdul-Khaaliq appear] misguided, even though [Shaikh Rabi] befriended him for a lengthy period of time and he never found any such errors [in the past].
And the eye of pleasure sees every fault insignificant,
But the eye of hatred always finds fault.
Abdullah b. Abd al-Rahman b. Jibrin
1) Hasan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb are scholars of Islam
2) Both aforementioned figures are remembered as martyrs
3) They have never been attacked since the last twenty years (of writing this fatwa)
4) Their mistakes are similar to those of the well-respected classical scholars, such as al-Nawawi and Ibn Hajr
5) Rabi’ al-Madkhali has been unjust towards them both and have quoted them out of context
6) Bakr Abu Zayd has adequately refuted Rabi’ al-Madkhali regarding Sayyid Qutb
7) Rabi’ al-Madkhali has attacked Abd al-Rahman ‘Abd al-Khaliq in a similar fashion, despite of having known him for a long time.
Click below to listen to the whole conversation:
Farid al-Maliki said addressing Rabi’ al-Madkhali:
– Wait for a moment, O Shaikh! I heard you saying one day – and Allah, his Angels and the whole mankind witness for that – and we were in the airport and you said: “Shaikh Ibn Baz has back-stabbed the Salafi Da’wah immensely!” O Shaikh! If I were to pick up the phone in Saudi Arabia and say to people that “Shaikh Rabi’i attacked Ibn Baz! Shaikh Rabi’i attacked Ibn Baz!”, how would you react to it? Would you accept it from me?”
– What was my intent? Do you know my intent?
– I understood your intent, that’s why I didn’t spread it further! But if I went ahead and said that “Shaikh reviled Ibn Baz”, what would be your reaction?”
– Really, this is baseless!
– Listen! Listen! What was my intent?
– I know your intent, O Shaikh! I know your intent!
– And what’s my intent?
– Shaikh (i.e. Ibn Baz) doesn’t know what is going on!
– Inform me what do I mean by “back-stabbing”? What did I mean?
Farid al-Maliki:– When you met with Shaikh ‘Abd al-‘Aziz (Ibn Baz), he praised Salman and Safar and you became angry and mentioned these words. So I assumed of you that you were angry!
-Listen! Listen! What i said stays between you and me! Don’t mention it in public!
– Wallahi, Shaikh…
– From first time and second time, stop here! Look at me! It’s between you and me! You want the conversation that is between me and you, between Tarhib and us, you want to spread about me now, don’t spread it – barakallahu fik -now you should listen to me…”
قال فريد فريد المالكي مخاطبا ربيع المدخلي :
” لحظة يا شيخ، أنا يا شيخ سمعتك يوم – والله يشهد والملائكة والناس أجمعين – ونحن في المطار ؛ قلت ياشيخ : الشيخ ابن باز طعن في السلفية طعنة شديدة؛ لو أنا يا شيخ مسكت التلفون داخل المملكة ، الشيخ ربيع يطعن في ابن باز الشيخ ربيع يطعن في ابن باز ، هذا يا شيخ ويش رأيك فيه ؟! ترضى هذا مني؟!
فرد عليه ربيع قائلاً : وأنا وأش أقصد ، عرفت أنا وأش أقصد ؟!
فريد المالكي : أنا فاهم قصدك ، لشان كدة مانشرت ! لكن لو أنا رُحت وقلت : الشيخ طعن في ابن باز ، ما رأيك ياشيخ في هذا ؟!
واش رأيك ياشيخ في هذا ؟!
فقال ترحيب الدوسري : فعلاً هذه دعوى عريضة !!؟
فقال ربيع المدخلي : أسمع ، أسمع ، أنا قصدت أي شيء !؟
فقال فريد المالكي : أنا عارف قصدك ياشيخ ! أنا عارف قصدك!
فقال ربيع المدخلي: ويش هو قصدي؟
قال فريد المالكي : الشيخ ما يعلم مو داري بالموضوع .
فقال ربيع المدخلي: لكن تخبرني ويش هو الطعن اللي قلته أنا إيش اقصد؟
فقال فريد: لمّا التقيت بالشيخ عبدالعزيز ، وأخذ يمدح في سلمان وسفر ورد ، فأنت غضبت يا شيخ وذكرت هذه الكلمة أنا أقول الشيخ كان غضبان. ( أي الشيخ ربيع وهذا إحسان ظن من فريد) .
فرد عليه ربيع المدخلي :اسمع، اسمع أنا اللي أقوله بيني وبينك ، لا تقوله لأحد قدام الناس ،
فريد المالكي : والله ياشيخ …..
فرد المدخلي مقاطعا : …… من أول مرة وثاني مرة توقف، شوفني أنا، بعدين بيني وبينك! ، أنت تبغي الكلام اللي بينك وبين ترحيب بينك وبينو ، وأنت الآن تنشرني في المجالس ، فلا تنشرني – شوف بارك الله فيك – الآن انت اسمعني….” انتهى
1) Farid al-Maliki swore by Allah, calling Him, the angels and the mankind to witness, that Rabi’ al-Madkhali accused Ibn Baz of back-stabbing Salafiyya.
2) Rabi’ al-Madkhali does not dispute this, but instead asks if Farid understands why he said it and what his intention was.
3) Farid confirms that this was because Ibn Baz had praised Salman and Safar to Rabi’ al-Madkhali, and in turn Rabi’ al-Madkhali lost his cool and said what he said.
4) Rabi’ al-Madkhali then asks him not to spread this amongst people but to keep it only to himself.