Posts tagged Falih al-Harbi
When ‘Abdullah bin Salam, may Allah be pleased with him, accepted Islam, he wanted to reveal to the Prophet, peace be upon him, one of the qualities of the Jews. He said, “O Messenger of Allah, the Jews are a people given to falsehood. So hide me and ask them about my status amongst them before they learn that I am a Muslim.”
A group of them came to the Prophet and he asked them, “What is the status of Abdllah bin Salam amongst you?”
They said, “He is the best of us and the son of the best of us. He is our master and the son of our master. He is our most learned and the son of our most learned.”
Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, asked them, “What if Abdullah bin Salam were to accept Islam?”
They said, “May Allah save him from that.”
Abdullah then came out and said, “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger.”
They began to say, “The worst of us and the son of the worst of us…” and similar remarks.
This is a quality of the Jews: exaggerating in praising the one who agrees with them and then exaggerating in condemning him once he differs with them. (more…)
Some interesting quotes here from a translated article on Sahab about Abdullah al-Sabt and al-Madkhali:
Sabt: So Jarh wa Ta’deel should be taken from the senior scholars only. The likes of Shaykh Bin Baaz, Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Al Albani, Salih Al Fawzan, ‘Abdul Muhsin Al ‘Abbad, As-Shaykh ‘Abdallah Al Ghudayan and the great scholars. As for the likes of me and who resemble me then do not take Jarh wa Ta’deel from us. We can only convey and cannot pass rulings. Meaning – when you ask me about fulan, I will convey the speech of scholars but from myself I cannot pass rulings because I do not belong from the people of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Sabt: So we advise our brothers because a lot of Fitnah has spread, may it be in Yemen or in Algeria or in Azerbaijan or in Kazakhstan … in the Caucasus now there is Fitnah and troubles: this one is an innovator, that one is that.
And on the internet it is much more and you do not know who the speaker is. And what if the writer on the internet is a Jew, who knows? So taking knowledge and building rulings should be taken from senior people of knowledge if you were able to reach knowledge of the elders.
And then they may be lying: Ibn Baaz said.
We say to them: come out with it, bring the evidence (say: bring your evidence if you really are truthful)
As for listening to these young youth then no, it’s not allowed, because they demolished Algeria, and demolished Madina Al Munawwara, and demolished the country of Russia and what surrounds it. They demolished a lot of countries so it is not allowed to give them hearing.
Sabt: Is it clear or do they need any more researching?
Is this clear to them and do they not have anything else for asking?
Translator: (asks those attending if they have any questions)
Sabt: Meaning – we say to them: now you are young, so do not get involved in matters of the elders. Like how Shaykh Al Albani said: “I am amazed at the youth of the Islamic call, they abandon what they are capable of and they get involved in what they are not capable of.”
Now is not your time to make rulings of Takfeer and Tasfeeq, this matter is for the elders.
You are able to call towards Allah the Most-High, to seek Islamic knowledge.
A lot of youth even those now amongst you, you find him speaking in matters of Takfeer and Tabdee’ but if you asked him about the nullifiers of ablution? He would not know.
This is the problem in out times.
Translator: (he began translating and added a little something from himself)
One of those attending questions in Russian: where he named some Scholars: Al Albani, Al ‘Abbad, Al Ghudayan.
So is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’ Al Madkhali because now there is a lot of Fitnah?
Translator: He said O! Shaykh a question related to the same topic:
Did you understand?
He said: We heard names that are famous Allah willing – meaning – the speech is clear.
Meaning – does this speech apply to, is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’?
Sabt: There are requirements for the scholar of Jarh wa Ta’deel that he must meet.
Second: Wisdom; which is withholding with patience, derivation and validation (Tathabut).
Like how the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: inform the peopleý
‘Ali bin Abi Talib said: “Speak or inform people according to their intelligence capabilities. Do you like for them that they lie upon Allah and His Messenger?”
Ash-Shaykh Rabee’ may have knowledge, only he does not have wisdom that makes him when to say and when not to say. He does not validate (Tathabut).
And the most famous example about that is; that Shaykh Rabee’ (may Allah preserve him) – and he is my peer – praised shaykh Faalih a lot and we know Faalih from the time that we were with Juhaiman’s group.
You may have heard of this Juhaiman’s group?
When I was with them, Faalih was also at that time.
Faalih is an ‘Aamee (normal) person, he does not understand anything.
But because he (Faalih) was stern on Ikhwanul Muslimeem, Shaykh Rabee’ praised him and made him into an Imam from the Imams of Jarh wa Ta’deel. And then his (Faalih’s) arrogance took over him so he began slandering Shaykh Rabee’. And now on the internet Faalih curses Rabee’ everyday. But we did not see from the students of Al ‘Abbad, Ibn ‘Utahaymeen and others to have turned. This is because Al ‘Abbad does not praise except in proportion and so do Ibn ‘Uthaymeen and Al Albani.
So we say that we respect Shaykh Rabee’ but we do not take his statement about Rijaal (people) because he does not validate (Tathabut) whereas he only believes (Usadiq).
Meaning – if you came to him (Shaykh) saying about fulan: he will believe him. [May be he (Sabt) means to say ‘he will believe you‘]
And then that one came and said: he believes.
An Imam does not believe all the people.
An Imam is like an ocean, everything falls into it.
And he extracts from it what he needs, not what the youth want.
So we respect Shaykh Rabee’ and he is my peer but the truth is more deserving of being followed.
Sabt(interrupting): Note; Shaykh Rabee’ was from the Ikhwanul Muslimeen long time before he became a Salafi. And for that reason all the old books of Shaykh Rabee’ are filled with quotations from Sayid Qutb, and this is present.
Translator: (he began to translate and added something bad about the honour of the noble scholar; Ar-Rabee’)
Shaykh Rabee: “I was never an Ikhwani; ever. But I went with them for an interval with the condition that they would expel people of innovation from their rows. And with the condition that; they would bring up the youth upon the Salafi Methodology. And I used to accompany those from them who attach themselves to the Salafi Methodology and not with those from the people of innovation. And likes of this was done by some of the Salafis, and from them was Shaykh Al Albani. So will you say O ‘Adnan that Shaykh Al Albani was an Ikhwani or from Ikhwan?! And will you demand his (Albani’s) recantation?” -End.
Sabt: Books of Shaykh Rabee’ that refute Sayid Qutb and others I published them, provided that I disagree with him (Shaykh) in his sterness (harshness). But as for the books that I saw to be beneficial, I published.
Translator: Shaykh (to Sabt) even the speech of Al Albani about him (Shaykh) is clear, he (Al Albani) said, “his (Rabee’s) speech is beautiful but – meaning – in it is severity and harshness.”
Sabt: and then we – meaning – with regard to our brother Munajjad, we believe that he has good and truth; so we praised him in that and we believe that he has mistakes in other issues like ‘Amal Al Jama’ee’ (teamwork); we warned from that.
The gang of Jarh wa Ta’deel do not have this method, they have with them either East or either West. And this is not allowed.
Meaning – it is not allowed to waste the good deeds of a person against the mistakes he fell into.
Translator: (began to translate and adds something bad about the honour of the Salafiyeen and those whom he calls the followers of Shaykh Rabee’)
And the reply at the beginning of this audio material where one of the brothers asked As-Sabt in Russian about Al Munajjad:
“Sabt: His (Munajjad’s) ‘Aqidah (creed) is pure. Tell him.
Translator: Al Munajjad.
Sabt: His ‘Aqidah (creed) is sound without Bid’ah (innovation), I benefit from his cassettes. He has a beautiful cassette called ‘In the Market of Daýwah’ by Al Munajjad. It is from the nicest there can be, from the best I have heard.
But the thinking he carries is the same thinking as that of Salman Al ‘Awdah and group, which is the assembling together of all different groups and parties.
As for his ‘Aqidah (creed) it is pure, 100 in 100%.
Returning to the audio:
Sabt: Before they used to praise ‘Ali Hasan ‘Abdul Hameed and the Mashayikh of Jordon, and now they disparage them without change.
Sabt: Let them ask if they have anything.
I say: When the Salafis criticised shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve and guide him), they criticised him for the expressions in his book opposing methodology of the Salaf. And this criticism came about to be public after long patience and when plenty of secret advising had continued for a period of time.
So the reality is that shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi changed his stance on some of the issues of methodology and came with expression that cannot be served in the Salafi methodology. And the one who would like to know more on this issue may refer to what shaykh Dr. Ahmad Bazmool (may Allah preserve him) wrote from the articles on Sahab Al Khair (Sahab.net).
So his (Sabt’s) saying, “and now they disparage them without change” is untrue, and Ahlus-Sunnah are the staunchest of people in uniting and loving but that does not mean that they will keep quite and defend with misguidance, an individual from amongst themselves if he came out with opposition in many issues.
And I would like to clarify an issue which is heard repeatedly that the Salafis are making Tabdee’ of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve him and guide him) on Sahab. And this also is from lies.
And what I would like to remind my brother authors is the need of kindness and softness with those to whom the issue of oppositions of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi against the truth have not become clear yet.
Returning to the audio material:
One of the Arabs attending asks saying: Is it possible for you to expand on the last point which you mentioned; justice being from the rules of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Its must to be just, its imperative for the scholar to be just – meaning
But he thinks about himself to be just, just because he does not validate; he loses it.
And it’s imperative upon him to be just; if not then he cannot become an Imam.
The article is followed by this bit:
This refutation [its Arabic original] was read by Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee – hafidhahu-Allaah – on Friday 12th of rabee’-ul-awwal 1431H, after salat-ul-maghrib, who said:
(It is a knowledge-based refutation and sufficient.)
And he – hafidhahu-Allaah – also said:
(‘Abdullaah As-Sabt is a kadh-dhaab [a liar]!)
And he – hafidhahu-Allaah – was asked:
Should the Russian speaking youth attend classes at his [Sabt’s] maktabah?
So he – hafidhahu-Allaah – said:
(Of course not, this is ma’roof [known/established])
The one who quoted this speech is an Albanian brother who studies in makkah and attends lessons at theShaykh’s – hafidhahu-Allaah. Anyone who wishes to confirm, can call and confirm with the Shaykh – hafidhahu-Allaah.
And Allaah is witness to what I said.
Wa salla-Allaahu ‘alaa nabiyyina Muhammad wa ‘alaa aalihee wa sahbihee wa sallim
Another nail in the coffin of blood-sucking Madkhalis.
This time, Shaykh Abd al-Aziz Aal al-Shaykh is asked about the Jarh Rabi’ al-Madkhali makes on his opponents. The Shaykh replies by saying that much of this sort of Jarh is based on nothing but whims, desires and personal animosity.
Arabic (followed by translation):
Abu Khadija and co. posted up the following some years back under the title:
Is shaykh Faalih Al-Harbi an Imaam of Jarh wa Ta’deel in this age?
The following question was put to the Shaykh Allaamah Rabee’ ibn Haadi Al-madkhali:
Is shaykh Faalih Al-Harbi considered to be from the scholars and an Imaam of Jarh wa Ta’deel in this age, and what is the ruling of the one who speaks (ill) of him?
The Shaykh responded:
Shaykh Faalih is from the most knowledgable of the people concerning the manhaj of the salaf and he is one of the most knowledgable of the people concerning the hiding places of the Qutubiyoon, Hizbiyoon and other than them.
And he is truthful in that which he relates upon them and in that which he critcises them for.
No one speaks (ill) of him except the people of innovation and misguidance, because he is from those who carry the banner of the sunnah, defends it and calls to it, he does not fear the blame of the one who will criticise and due to this they make war against him and they make war against those who are like him and this is the state of the people of innovation and misguidance in every place and every age.
This is not something which is new to us rather it is something old, from the Khawaarij, Mu’tazilah and the Rawaafid as they used to attack the Imaams of Ahlus Sunnah and accuse them of Hashawiyyah and Guthaa and other than this, this is well known, and every nation has one who will inherit (these characteristics).
And the enemies of the prophets used to attack the prophets, the enemies of the companions used to attack the companions and the enemies of Ahlul Hadeeth used to attack Ahlul Hadeeth, and we Insha Allaah are the inheritors of the prophets and the inheritors of the companions and we call the people to procede upon their way and Manhaj in opposition to other than us and all praise belongs to Allaah.
So, one might ask, what became of our erstwhile Imam? Well, what else? He was kicked OFF THE MANHAJ:
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As Salaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaah wa Barakaatuh
Al-Akh Abu Zakaria, sorry for the late reply. We have only just returned from visiting some of the Mashaayikh in the Mamlakah for advice and direction, and therefore have not been able to view or reply to your post.
Yes we have removed the links and articles of Shaykh Falih, holding that clearly to be the correct position. This issue may confuse a lot of people because it has sprung up quite quickly and has more or less come to its determination fairly quickly as well. However, we must not show ta`assub when the truth becomes clear, regardless of who it is.
The policy we took initially – as we have with previous issues – is to avoid presenting this matter up until the time is appropriate and with precedence from the Mashaayikh. In the initial stage we remained silent following the advice of Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee and Shaykh `Ubayd, and also seeing that Shaykh Rabee` was giving private advice to Shaykh Faalih on a number of issues. Thus, we have been upon the following advice:
What is taking place between the shabaab of disputation, of acceptance and rejection, and of tension in what relates to the advice of Shaykh Rabee` to Shaykh Faalih was mentioned to the Shaykh, `Allaamah an-Najmee. His reply was on Saturday 26th Rabee` ul-Awwal 1425H, as follows:
All praise is due to Allaah, and may the salaat and salaam be upon the Messenger of Allaah, his family, and companions. To proceed:
Then it has reached me that some of the small students of knowledge are speaking in matters that are specific to the Major Scholars, and this is an error on their behalf. For it is not permissible for them to use every anomalous (situation), [such] that when they hear a word, they spread it, and cause alarm and change. And I advise them that they employ forbearance in the affairs and to show calmness and absence of hastiness. And when anything occurs between the senior people of knowledge, that they do not use this situation such that it results in separation. So this (person) supports this one and that person supports that one. I advise them that they do not do this, and that they should fear Allaah regarding themselves, and that they are not the source of fitnah, and the Prophet (sallAllaahu `alayhi wa sallam) [says]: “Make things easy and not difficult and give tidings (to the people) and do not cause them to flee away” (Reported by Muslim). And the affair that is between Shaykh Rabee` and Shaykh Faalih shall be put aright, looking into the affair will be completed – if Allaah wills – by their brothers and associates, and with Allaah lies success.
This naseehah was dicated by the esteemed Shaykh, Ahmad bin Yahyaa an-Najmee
Signed by the Shaykh, Saturday 26th Rabee` ul-Awwal 1425H
And what was said by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee was read out to Shaykh `Ubayd al-Jaabiree who said: “We say the same as what was said by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee, and this is what we advise the youth with and we advise them to adhere to it (this advice)”.
As for now when the affair is open and clear walhamdulillaah, then we have taken the necessary steps. The articles (about four or five in total) that we had on our web page from Shaykh Falih have been withdrawn as an indication of our belief that the truth is with Shaykh Rabee` without doubt and those other Mashaayikh such as Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee. The advice of Shaykh Rabee` to Shaykh Falih had been translated and we will post it very shortly inshaa’Allaah.
In addition, we have had extremely beneficial sittings with Shaykh Rabee` with whom we sat in all of the days we remained in Makkah, and also with Shaykh Waseeullaah, and Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee and also Shaykh Abdullaah al-Bukhaaree. From these meetings we acquired excellent advice and steps for ourselves to both strengthen the Salafee dawah and protect it from potential harms. May Allaah reward these Shaykhs for their concern for the dawah and for their Salafee brothers and sisters in the West.
So, he started out an inheritor of the prophets because of his uncanny gift for chatting up nonsense. When he had a tiff with Rabee, he was declared an opponent of THE MANHAJ (just gives you chills, doesn’t it?):
To allow the english reader to familiarise themselves with some of the erroneous principles of Faalih Al-Harbi here is a short translation of an important portion of this article, which Insha Allaah will give the reader some insight into the issue. I ask Allaah that He allows us to see the truth as the truth and to follow it, and He allows us to see falsehood as falsehood so that we can stay far away from it.
Shaykh Rabee said
He and his hidden group have entered the cellars of darkness, twisting, watering down and there defense is with lies and falsification, and they attack either explicitly or indirectly every individual that speaks the truth, to the extent that the abuse has extended to the belittlement of the Imams of Al-Jarh wat Ta’deel and their fundamental (principles). It is mandatory at this point that I elaborate on certain issues that I discussed with him in the two pieces of advice, which I previously overlooked as to show him kindness. It occurred that Faalih had rushed to Tabdee’ (declaring someone to be an innovator) and Tajdee’, so some of the youth requested from him the proofs that support this tabdee’, and they did not find the necessary evidences. Then he resorted to inventing a principle which was to remove tabdee’ from the fundamentals of the Imams of Al-Jarh wat Ta-deel, and he built upon this the differentiation between tabdee’ and Riwaayah. Therefore he believes that it is necessary to ask about the reasons why the Ruwaat (narrators of hadeeth) have been criticized, but when it comes to those who he holds to be innovators then it is not a requirement to ask about the reasons for this tabdee’ and criticism, even if those (spoken against) were from the best of the Salafis, then still he should not be asked for the reasons why they have been declared innovators, instead he declares those who ask for the reasons for this tabdee’ to be innovators. Him founding this as a fundamental (principle) lead to him saying that it is an obligation to blind follow the scholars and not ask them for the proof. Who were those who were being asked to blind follow the scholars? Verily they were intelligent students of knowledge and even some of the teachers amongst them were doctors (from the Islamic universities) and not the common people. He also described those who do not blind follow the scholars as destroying the message of the Messengers or having denied the Book, Sunnah and Islam. He and his followers think that he is the single Imam who protects the religion, so he supports them and they support him to attack the heads of the people of the Sunnah and Jamaa’ah, the strong and weak from them by declaring them innovators and pronouncing tyrannical rulings upon them.
The real reason for the tiff between Rabee and his ex-sidekick Faalih is that Faalih started criticizing one of Rabee’s loyal buddies, Abdul-Malik Ramadani, for refusing to take a position on al-Ma’ribi. This is peculiar as Rabee’ attacked many people himself for not taking a position on al-Ma’ribi. In this respect, one must acknowledge that, to Falih’s credit, he was at least being more consistent than his ex-mentor.
It is worthy of noting as well that Falih was NOT kicked off the manhaj when he did a tele-link with Bilal Davies in which he encouraged his American followers to join the US military so that they could go to Afghanistan to fight “Ahl al-Bida”.
This shows the sick, demented priorities of al-Madkhali and his followers. It also calls into doubt their true allegiances, and so it should be no surprise to anyone to hear of yet another Madkhali working for Western intelligence agencies or for the FBI or similar organizations to gather information, to entrap people, or any other task that their masters request of them.
Not very long ago, a tantrum throwing Madkhali from Madina, known as Ubayd al-Jabiri, received a phone call from a follower of his best-friend-turned-worst-enemy, Falih al-Harbi who questioned him about his stance on Ali Hasan al-Halabi in light of the fatwa by al-Lajna al-Da’ima.
Ubayd al-Jabiri advised him to disregard the fatwa against al-Halabi, causing the questioner to accuse him of Irja. After being accused of Irja by the rude caller – who called him and recorded the conversation precisely to entrap him – al-Jabiri fell for it retaliated by saying: