Inter-Madkhali Bickering

Abu Khadija and co. posted up the following some years back under the title:

Is shaykh Faalih Al-Harbi an Imaam of Jarh wa Ta’deel in this age?

http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7815&bookmark=0

The following question was put to the Shaykh Allaamah Rabee’ ibn Haadi Al-madkhali:

Is shaykh Faalih Al-Harbi considered to be from the scholars and an Imaam of Jarh wa Ta’deel in this age, and what is the ruling of the one who speaks (ill) of him?

The Shaykh responded:

Shaykh Faalih is from the most knowledgable of the people concerning the manhaj of the salaf and he is one of the most knowledgable of the people concerning the hiding places of the Qutubiyoon, Hizbiyoon and other than them.
And he is truthful in that which he relates upon them and in that which he critcises them for.

No one speaks (ill) of him except the people of innovation and misguidance, because he is from those who carry the banner of the sunnah, defends it and calls to it, he does not fear the blame of the one who will criticise and due to this they make war against him and they make war against those who are like him and this is the state of the people of innovation and misguidance in every place and every age.

This is not something which is new to us rather it is something old, from the Khawaarij, Mu’tazilah and the Rawaafid as they used to attack the Imaams of Ahlus Sunnah and accuse them of Hashawiyyah and Guthaa and other than this, this is well known, and every nation has one who will inherit (these characteristics).

And the enemies of the prophets used to attack the prophets, the enemies of the companions used to attack the companions and the enemies of Ahlul Hadeeth used to attack Ahlul Hadeeth, and we Insha Allaah are the inheritors of the prophets and the inheritors of the companions and we call the people to procede upon their way and Manhaj in opposition to other than us and all praise belongs to Allaah.

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=islam&Number=279407&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5

So, one might ask, what became of our erstwhile Imam? Well, what else? He was kicked OFF THE MANHAJ:

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Al-Akh Abu Zakaria, sorry for the late reply. We have only just returned from visiting some of the Mashaayikh in the Mamlakah for advice and direction, and therefore have not been able to view or reply to your post.

Yes we have removed the links and articles of Shaykh Falih, holding that clearly to be the correct position. This issue may confuse a lot of people because it has sprung up quite quickly and has more or less come to its determination fairly quickly as well. However, we must not show ta`assub when the truth becomes clear, regardless of who it is.

The policy we took initially – as we have with previous issues – is to avoid presenting this matter up until the time is appropriate and with precedence from the Mashaayikh. In the initial stage we remained silent following the advice of Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee and Shaykh `Ubayd, and also seeing that Shaykh Rabee` was giving private advice to Shaykh Faalih on a number of issues. Thus, we have been upon the following advice:
quote:
What is taking place between the shabaab of disputation, of acceptance and rejection, and of tension in what relates to the advice of Shaykh Rabee` to Shaykh Faalih was mentioned to the Shaykh, `Allaamah an-Najmee. His reply was on Saturday 26th Rabee` ul-Awwal 1425H, as follows:

Bismillaahir-Rahmaanir-Raheem

All praise is due to Allaah, and may the salaat and salaam be upon the Messenger of Allaah, his family, and companions. To proceed:

Then it has reached me that some of the small students of knowledge are speaking in matters that are specific to the Major Scholars, and this is an error on their behalf. For it is not permissible for them to use every anomalous (situation), [such] that when they hear a word, they spread it, and cause alarm and change. And I advise them that they employ forbearance in the affairs and to show calmness and absence of hastiness. And when anything occurs between the senior people of knowledge, that they do not use this situation such that it results in separation. So this (person) supports this one and that person supports that one. I advise them that they do not do this, and that they should fear Allaah regarding themselves, and that they are not the source of fitnah, and the Prophet (sallAllaahu `alayhi wa sallam) [says]: “Make things easy and not difficult and give tidings (to the people) and do not cause them to flee away” (Reported by Muslim). And the affair that is between Shaykh Rabee` and Shaykh Faalih shall be put aright, looking into the affair will be completed – if Allaah wills – by their brothers and associates, and with Allaah lies success.

This naseehah was dicated by the esteemed Shaykh, Ahmad bin Yahyaa an-Najmee
Signed by the Shaykh, Saturday 26th Rabee` ul-Awwal 1425H

And what was said by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee was read out to Shaykh `Ubayd al-Jaabiree who said: “We say the same as what was said by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee, and this is what we advise the youth with and we advise them to adhere to it (this advice)”.

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.p … did=306160

As for now when the affair is open and clear walhamdulillaah, then we have taken the necessary steps. The articles (about four or five in total) that we had on our web page from Shaykh Falih have been withdrawn as an indication of our belief that the truth is with Shaykh Rabee` without doubt and those other Mashaayikh such as Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee. The advice of Shaykh Rabee` to Shaykh Falih had been translated and we will post it very shortly inshaa’Allaah.

In addition, we have had extremely beneficial sittings with Shaykh Rabee` with whom we sat in all of the days we remained in Makkah, and also with Shaykh Waseeullaah, and Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee and also Shaykh Abdullaah al-Bukhaaree. From these meetings we acquired excellent advice and steps for ourselves to both strengthen the Salafee dawah and protect it from potential harms. May Allaah reward these Shaykhs for their concern for the dawah and for their Salafee brothers and sisters in the West.

So, he started out an inheritor of the prophets because of his uncanny gift for chatting up nonsense. When he had a tiff with Rabee, he was declared an opponent of THE MANHAJ (just gives you chills, doesn’t it?):

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=25&Topic=3799

To allow the english reader to familiarise themselves with some of the erroneous principles of Faalih Al-Harbi here is a short translation of an important portion of this article, which Insha Allaah will give the reader some insight into the issue. I ask Allaah that He allows us to see the truth as the truth and to follow it, and He allows us to see falsehood as falsehood so that we can stay far away from it.

Shaykh Rabee said

He and his hidden group have entered the cellars of darkness, twisting, watering down and there defense is with lies and falsification, and they attack either explicitly or indirectly every individual that speaks the truth, to the extent that the abuse has extended to the belittlement of the Imams of Al-Jarh wat Ta’deel and their fundamental (principles). It is mandatory at this point that I elaborate on certain issues that I discussed with him in the two pieces of advice, which I previously overlooked  as to show him kindness. It occurred that Faalih had rushed to Tabdee’ (declaring someone to be an innovator) and Tajdee’, so some of the youth requested from him the proofs that support this tabdee’, and they did not find the necessary evidences. Then he resorted to inventing a principle which was to remove tabdee’ from the fundamentals of the Imams of Al-Jarh wat Ta-deel, and he built upon this the differentiation between tabdee’ and Riwaayah. Therefore he believes that it is necessary to ask about the reasons why the Ruwaat (narrators of hadeeth) have been criticized, but when it comes to those who he holds to be innovators then it is not a requirement to ask about the reasons for this tabdee’ and criticism, even if those (spoken against) were from the best of the Salafis, then still he should not be asked for the reasons why they have been declared innovators, instead he declares those who ask for the reasons for this tabdee’ to be innovators. Him founding this as a fundamental (principle) lead to him saying that it is an obligation to blind follow the scholars and not ask them for the proof. Who were those who were being asked to blind follow the scholars? Verily they were intelligent students of knowledge and even some of the teachers amongst them were doctors (from the Islamic universities) and not the common people. He also described those who do not blind follow the scholars as destroying the message of the Messengers or having denied the Book, Sunnah and Islam. He and his followers think that he is the single Imam who protects the religion, so he supports them and they support him to attack the heads of the people of the Sunnah and Jamaa’ah, the strong and weak from them by declaring them innovators and pronouncing tyrannical rulings upon them.

The real reason for the tiff between Rabee and his ex-sidekick Faalih is that Faalih started criticizing one of Rabee’s loyal buddies, Abdul-Malik Ramadani, for refusing to take a position on al-Ma’ribi. This is peculiar as Rabee’ attacked many people himself for not taking a position on al-Ma’ribi. In this respect, one must acknowledge that, to Falih’s credit, he was at least being more consistent than his ex-mentor.

It is worthy of noting as well that Falih was NOT kicked off the manhaj when he did a tele-link with Bilal Davies in which he encouraged his American followers to join the US military so that they could go to Afghanistan to fight “Ahl al-Bida”.

This shows the sick, demented priorities of al-Madkhali and his followers. It also calls into doubt their true allegiances, and so it should be no surprise to anyone to hear of yet another Madkhali working for Western intelligence agencies or for the FBI or similar organizations to gather information, to entrap people, or any other task that their masters request of them.

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