Madkhalis.Com
Where Rabi's chickens come home to roost
Muhammad b. Hadi al-Madkhali’s Fresh Slanders Against Sh. Bakr Abu Zayd
Aug 7th
Sh. Bakr Abu Zayd, may Allah have mercy on him, is universally regarded amongst Ahl al-Sunnah as one of the great scholars of this generation and he was a member of al-Lajnah al-Da’imah, the leading scholarly body for issuing Fatwa in Saudi Arabia. For years, the Madkhalis have slandered him in private – and sometimes in public. In a recent tape Rabee’s protege, Muhammad al-Madkhali, continues that trend:
… the author of this work, al-Tasnif, is Bakr Abu Zayd, and he has passed on to Allah…
As for his book, unfortunately, he aided none but the People of Desires (Ahl al-Ahwa’) by it, and he fell from the time he wrote in defense of Syed Qutb and in refutation of the one who clarified his errors, out of sincerity to the Muslims, and he is our Shaykh, Shaykh Rabee, may Allah preserve him… Rabee bin Hadi al-Madkhali, may Allah preserve him.
After he wrote this book, he fell (i.e. off the manhaj) and he no longer had any standing in the eyes of the Salafis. This is a fulfillment of the words of Amir al-Mu’minin Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, “Men are known by the truth. The truth is not known by men.” More >
A Jewish Practice
Aug 7th
When ‘Abdullah bin Salam, may Allah be pleased with him, accepted Islam, he wanted to reveal to the Prophet, peace be upon him, one of the qualities of the Jews. He said, “O Messenger of Allah, the Jews are a people given to falsehood. So hide me and ask them about my status amongst them before they learn that I am a Muslim.”
A group of them came to the Prophet and he asked them, “What is the status of Abdllah bin Salam amongst you?”
They said, “He is the best of us and the son of the best of us. He is our master and the son of our master. He is our most learned and the son of our most learned.”
Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, asked them, “What if Abdullah bin Salam were to accept Islam?”
They said, “May Allah save him from that.”
Abdullah then came out and said, “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger.”
They began to say, “The worst of us and the son of the worst of us…” and similar remarks.
This is a quality of the Jews: exaggerating in praising the one who agrees with them and then exaggerating in condemning him once he differs with them. More >
Madkhali Wars (Amusing)
Jul 7th
One of Rabee al-Madkhali’s best known sidekicks, Muhammad b. Hadi al-Madkhali, defending the SPUBS buffoons and attacking other Madkhalis who don’t like SPUBS (may Allah continue to keep these heretics preoccupied with one another): More >
A New Gift from al-Madkhali
Jul 7th
http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=11256
On Friday, the 25th of June 2010 (14 Rajab 1431H), the following question was posed to the Shaykh al-’Allaamah Rabee’ Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee:
“O Shaykh, as you are aware, there are no scholars in Britain, but is there anyone residing there that you advise us with, who can connect us to the people of knowledge?”The Shaykh, may Allaah preserve him, mentioned: Our brother Hasan as-Somali (who was present in the gathering), Abu Khadeejah and his companion (Abu Hakeem). More >
Another One Bites the Dust: al-Sabt vs. Rabee’
Mar 25th
Some interesting quotes here from a translated article on Sahab about Abdullah al-Sabt and al-Madkhali:
Sabt: So Jarh wa Ta’deel should be taken from the senior scholars only. The likes of Shaykh Bin Baaz, Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, Al Albani, Salih Al Fawzan, ‘Abdul Muhsin Al ‘Abbad, As-Shaykh ‘Abdallah Al Ghudayan and the great scholars. As for the likes of me and who resemble me then do not take Jarh wa Ta’deel from us. We can only convey and cannot pass rulings. Meaning – when you ask me about fulan, I will convey the speech of scholars but from myself I cannot pass rulings because I do not belong from the people of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Sabt: So we advise our brothers because a lot of Fitnah has spread, may it be in Yemen or in Algeria or in Azerbaijan or in Kazakhstan … in the Caucasus now there is Fitnah and troubles: this one is an innovator, that one is that.
And on the internet it is much more and you do not know who the speaker is. And what if the writer on the internet is a Jew, who knows? So taking knowledge and building rulings should be taken from senior people of knowledge if you were able to reach knowledge of the elders.
And then they may be lying: Ibn Baaz said.
We say to them: come out with it, bring the evidence (say: bring your evidence if you really are truthful)
As for listening to these young youth then no, it’s not allowed, because they demolished Algeria, and demolished Madina Al Munawwara, and demolished the country of Russia and what surrounds it. They demolished a lot of countries so it is not allowed to give them hearing.
Sabt: Is it clear or do they need any more researching?
Is this clear to them and do they not have anything else for asking?
Translator: (asks those attending if they have any questions)
Sabt: Meaning – we say to them: now you are young, so do not get involved in matters of the elders. Like how Shaykh Al Albani said: “I am amazed at the youth of the Islamic call, they abandon what they are capable of and they get involved in what they are not capable of.”
Now is not your time to make rulings of Takfeer and Tasfeeq, this matter is for the elders.
You are able to call towards Allah the Most-High, to seek Islamic knowledge.
A lot of youth even those now amongst you, you find him speaking in matters of Takfeer and Tabdee’ but if you asked him about the nullifiers of ablution? He would not know.
This is the problem in out times.
Translator: (he began translating and added a little something from himself)
One of those attending questions in Russian: where he named some Scholars: Al Albani, Al ‘Abbad, Al Ghudayan.
So is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’ Al Madkhali because now there is a lot of Fitnah?
Translator: He said O! Shaykh a question related to the same topic:
Did you understand?He said: We heard names that are famous Allah willing – meaning – the speech is clear.
Meaning – does this speech apply to, is it permissible to take this knowledge (Jarh wa Ta’deel) from Shaykh Rabee’?
Sabt: There are requirements for the scholar of Jarh wa Ta’deel that he must meet.
First: Knowledge.
Second: Wisdom; which is withholding with patience, derivation and validation (Tathabut).
Like how the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: inform the peopleý
‘Ali bin Abi Talib said: “Speak or inform people according to their intelligence capabilities. Do you like for them that they lie upon Allah and His Messenger?”
Ash-Shaykh Rabee’ may have knowledge, only he does not have wisdom that makes him when to say and when not to say. He does not validate (Tathabut).
And the most famous example about that is; that Shaykh Rabee’ (may Allah preserve him) – and he is my peer – praised shaykh Faalih a lot and we know Faalih from the time that we were with Juhaiman’s group.
You may have heard of this Juhaiman’s group?When I was with them, Faalih was also at that time.
Faalih is an ‘Aamee (normal) person, he does not understand anything.
But because he (Faalih) was stern on Ikhwanul Muslimeem, Shaykh Rabee’ praised him and made him into an Imam from the Imams of Jarh wa Ta’deel. And then his (Faalih’s) arrogance took over him so he began slandering Shaykh Rabee’. And now on the internet Faalih curses Rabee’ everyday. But we did not see from the students of Al ‘Abbad, Ibn ‘Utahaymeen and others to have turned. This is because Al ‘Abbad does not praise except in proportion and so do Ibn ‘Uthaymeen and Al Albani.
So we say that we respect Shaykh Rabee’ but we do not take his statement about Rijaal (people) because he does not validate (Tathabut) whereas he only believes (Usadiq).
Meaning – if you came to him (Shaykh) saying about fulan: he will believe him. [May be he (Sabt) means to say 'he will believe you']
And then that one came and said: he believes.
An Imam does not believe all the people.
An Imam is like an ocean, everything falls into it.
And he extracts from it what he needs, not what the youth want.So we respect Shaykh Rabee’ and he is my peer but the truth is more deserving of being followed.
Sabt(interrupting): Note; Shaykh Rabee’ was from the Ikhwanul Muslimeen long time before he became a Salafi. And for that reason all the old books of Shaykh Rabee’ are filled with quotations from Sayid Qutb, and this is present.
Translator: (he began to translate and added something bad about the honour of the noble scholar; Ar-Rabee’)
Commentary:
Shaykh Rabee: “I was never an Ikhwani; ever. But I went with them for an interval with the condition that they would expel people of innovation from their rows. And with the condition that; they would bring up the youth upon the Salafi Methodology. And I used to accompany those from them who attach themselves to the Salafi Methodology and not with those from the people of innovation. And likes of this was done by some of the Salafis, and from them was Shaykh Al Albani. So will you say O ‘Adnan that Shaykh Al Albani was an Ikhwani or from Ikhwan?! And will you demand his (Albani’s) recantation?” -End.
Sabt: Books of Shaykh Rabee’ that refute Sayid Qutb and others I published them, provided that I disagree with him (Shaykh) in his sterness (harshness). But as for the books that I saw to be beneficial, I published.
Translator: Shaykh (to Sabt) even the speech of Al Albani about him (Shaykh) is clear, he (Al Albani) said, “his (Rabee’s) speech is beautiful but – meaning – in it is severity and harshness.”
Sabt: and then we – meaning – with regard to our brother Munajjad, we believe that he has good and truth; so we praised him in that and we believe that he has mistakes in other issues like ‘Amal Al Jama’ee’ (teamwork); we warned from that.
The gang of Jarh wa Ta’deel do not have this method, they have with them either East or either West. And this is not allowed.
Meaning – it is not allowed to waste the good deeds of a person against the mistakes he fell into.
Translator: (began to translate and adds something bad about the honour of the Salafiyeen and those whom he calls the followers of Shaykh Rabee’)
And the reply at the beginning of this audio material where one of the brothers asked As-Sabt in Russian about Al Munajjad:
“Sabt: His (Munajjad’s) ‘Aqidah (creed) is pure. Tell him.
Translator: Al Munajjad.
Sabt: His ‘Aqidah (creed) is sound without Bid’ah (innovation), I benefit from his cassettes. He has a beautiful cassette called ‘In the Market of Daýwah’ by Al Munajjad. It is from the nicest there can be, from the best I have heard.
But the thinking he carries is the same thinking as that of Salman Al ‘Awdah and group, which is the assembling together of all different groups and parties.
As for his ‘Aqidah (creed) it is pure, 100 in 100%.
Returning to the audio:
Sabt: Before they used to praise ‘Ali Hasan ‘Abdul Hameed and the Mashayikh of Jordon, and now they disparage them without change.
Translator: (translates)
Sabt: Let them ask if they have anything.
I say: When the Salafis criticised shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve and guide him), they criticised him for the expressions in his book opposing methodology of the Salaf. And this criticism came about to be public after long patience and when plenty of secret advising had continued for a period of time.
So the reality is that shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi changed his stance on some of the issues of methodology and came with expression that cannot be served in the Salafi methodology. And the one who would like to know more on this issue may refer to what shaykh Dr. Ahmad Bazmool (may Allah preserve him) wrote from the articles on Sahab Al Khair (Sahab.net).
So his (Sabt’s) saying, “and now they disparage them without change” is untrue, and Ahlus-Sunnah are the staunchest of people in uniting and loving but that does not mean that they will keep quite and defend with misguidance, an individual from amongst themselves if he came out with opposition in many issues.
And I would like to clarify an issue which is heard repeatedly that the Salafis are making Tabdee’ of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi (may Allah preserve him and guide him) on Sahab. And this also is from lies.
And what I would like to remind my brother authors is the need of kindness and softness with those to whom the issue of oppositions of shaykh ‘Ali Al Halabi against the truth have not become clear yet.
Returning to the audio material:
One of the Arabs attending asks saying: Is it possible for you to expand on the last point which you mentioned; justice being from the rules of Jarh wa Ta’deel.
Sabt: Ayyy
Its must to be just, its imperative for the scholar to be just – meaning
But he thinks about himself to be just, just because he does not validate; he loses it.And it’s imperative upon him to be just; if not then he cannot become an Imam.
The article is followed by this bit:
This refutation [its Arabic original] was read by Shaykh Rabee’ bin Haadee - hafidhahu-Allaah – on Friday 12th of rabee’-ul-awwal 1431H, after salat-ul-maghrib, who said:
(It is a knowledge-based refutation and sufficient.)
And he - hafidhahu-Allaah – also said:
(‘Abdullaah As-Sabt is a kadh-dhaab [a liar]!)
And he - hafidhahu-Allaah – was asked:Should the Russian speaking youth attend classes at his [Sabt's] maktabah?
So he - hafidhahu-Allaah – said:
(Of course not, this is ma’roof [known/established])
The one who quoted this speech is an Albanian brother who studies in makkah and attends lessons at theShaykh’s - hafidhahu-Allaah. Anyone who wishes to confirm, can call and confirm with the Shaykh - hafidhahu-Allaah.
And Allaah is witness to what I said.
Wa salla-Allaahu ‘alaa nabiyyina Muhammad wa ‘alaa aalihee wa sahbihee wa sallim
Definition of Madkhalism
Mar 14th
Firstly, as they say, لا مشاحة في الاصطلاح!
This term is generally used to apply to the followers of Rabi’ al-Madkhali, as well as the splinter groups thereof, including those of them who actually despise Rabi’ al-Madkhali. You might ask, how can that be?
Well, amongst the Madkhalis themselves, they use the term Haddadi for those of their own kind that they see as being extreme. The term is an attribution to a fellow named Haddad who was a member of Rabi’s circle. He took Rabi’s manhaj of jarh wa’l-ta’dil to its logical conclusions and declared that the works of ibn Hajar and al-Nawawi ought to be burned. At this point, a number of scholars stepped in and refuted him, amongst them Sh. Muqbil. Sh. Muqbil, as he has mentioned in various places, also was harsh with Rabi’ for allowing this mess, and threatened him that he should also join in taking down Haddad. Rabi did so and thus the Haddadiyyah were born.
Later, when almost the exact same scenario played out with Rabi’s former right-hand man Falih al-Harbi, Rabi took part in taking him down as well, and so the Neo-Haddadis were born. Keep in mind here that Falih al-Harbi also despises the so-called “Haddadis”, but this did not spare him from being labelled Haddadi.
In any case, those groups which have split off from Rabi’ and now despise their former cult leader, or at the least, feel lukewarm towards him, I think it is still accurate to describe them as Madkhali, as they still generally share the same worldview and mentality.
Defining Characteristics of Madkhalis
(1) Anyone who criticizes the rulers or is deemed to be doing so is labelled Khariji.
(2) Anyone who makes Takfir of secularist governments is dubbed a Takfiri.
(3) Anyone who disagrees with them or is seen to be associating with innovators/hizbis is himself an innovator/hizbi, or at the least, there are question marks concerning his “manhaj”. (note: some of them are more consistent in applying this principle than others. Rabi’, for his part, seems to be quite Machiavellian about it. He attacked some for refusing to take a position on Abul-Hasan, and defended others – namely: Abdul Malik Ramadani – because of his loyalty to Rabi)
On a side note, Ramadani has made excuses for some of the absurd, outrageous things that Rabi says on the grounds that he is diabetic, and when his blood sugar gets unstable, he doesn’t know what he is saying. An interesting theory, with perhaps a kernel of truth to it, but his refutations of Syed Qutb, al-Malibari, and Abul Hasan all reveal an element of calculated deception, which makes it almost impossible to excuse him on these grounds.
Madkhali’s Corrupt Principles: Veiled Takfeer and Outrageous Claims
Mar 13th
http://mareb.org/showthread-t_1684.html
As is well known to many, Rabee al-Madkhali has had his differences for various reasons with a well-respected Salafi Shaykh by the name of Adnan Ar’ur. In fact, he was well respected even amongst Madkhali’s followers (Ramadani cites him as a respected authority in his Madarik al-Nazar) before he crossed paths with Madkhali and Madkhali decided he had to be destroyed. In his typical style, because he is bankrupt of knowledge or proofs, Madkhali resorts to outrageous claims against his opponents. The following are a few examples of his statements against Sh. Adnan, from the tape Inqidad al-Shuhub al-Salafiyya. Firstly, while claiming that Sh. Adnan’s only goal is to divide Salafis worldwide, he declares (1-b):
And by Allah, Islam is not plotted against except with the likes of this man who wears the clothing of Islam, for ibn Saba’ wore the clothing of Islam and destroyed it (sic). Al-Mukhtar ibn Abee Ubayd wore this clothing; Abu Muslim al-Khurasani wore this clothing. Ibn Tomart wore this clothing. Many throughout history have worn this clothing in order to strike Islam, and before them, there was Paul who wore the clothing of Christianity and destroyed it. Likewise, this man wants to destroy the Salafi Manhaj with his false, wicked principles.
From this description, it sounds as if he is accusing Adnan Ar’ur of being a major Munafiq and Zindiq!
Then, in tape (2-a), he addresses Sh. Adnan, saying:
And you fight the people of Tawhid, O Adnan. You fight the people who critique those who espouse Wahdat al-Wujud. For this purpose, you have invented these principles. You fight those who critique those who attack the Prophets. You fight those who critique the ones who attack the Companions of Allah’s Messenger. All of this after you have come across these things and known them. So what salafiyya do you have, O Adnan? What salafiyya do you have except that which you falsely ascribe to yourself so that you may corrupt the Salafi youth worldwide. I don’t think you believe in salafiyya at all, this is what I profess and embrace for Allah’s sake. You only claim something of Salafiyya so that you can misguide the Salafi youth. If you had any bit of Salafiyya with you, you would not have done even some of these things, to say nothing of all of them, because you do not love the truth, and you do not love its people. How can you retract from falsehood which you were raised on and have lived on and for the sake of which you have laid out principles? How will you retract from it….
On side b, he goes on to say:
I have not seen his likes. By Allah, ibn Sa’id who kept Allah’s Messenger and the Companions sleepless did not reach this level of deception and playing around, and yet the Companions did not leave him alone. They kept him restless and circulated that he was al-Dajjal… so Adnan is like this, by Allah, this man did not reach this level of deception… So I am of the view that they (the followers of Adnan) are worse than the Qutbis, more evil than them. At least, the leaders of the Qutbis have some honor and some character and honesty. However, this man is lost, completely lost; no honesty, no valid manhaj, he doesn’t resemble the callers of falsehood nor the callers to Sunnah, and refuge is with Allah!!! At least the callers of falsehood have some shame, and some honor, and some hesitation about lying. This man doesn’t hesitate to lie… He doesn’t care whether people call him a liar or not, he doesn’t care. A man who has dropped to such a level, how can he have any sanctity left in the eyes of those who respect this Manhaj and respect their own reason?!! In any case, we live in an age when – ya’ni – the souls of many people are ready to receive the Dajjal. Many are prepared, and perhaps Adnan and his likes are preparing these souls for receiving the Major Dajjal, Nas’alullah al-Aafiyah. When the soul dies and lying is not longer shameful or embarrassing to it, what good is left in it? What honor can it have left, to say nothing of having any of the Salafi Manhaj left?
And he states (2-a):
The principles Adnan invented, the Qutbis have not invented their like, no one have invented them, not even Shaytan invented such.
Elsewhere, in the tape Liqa’ Abr al-Hatif Min Holanda (side b), he says about the ‘principles’ of Shaykh Adnan:
These new Khawarij and the new Ghulat al-Murji’a have laid down principles which possibly may not have even crosses the mind of Iblis across the length of human history!!
Al-Madkhali should realize he is only digging his grave deeper, and his preposterous accusations and ludicrous claims impress none but his most brainwashed followers. This is just a small example which demonstrates that al-Madkhali himself is truly the role model that his followers emulate in making the absurd, unjust, and unfounded claims about their opponents. Therefore, it is not fair to blame his (ex-)stooges such as Falih al-Harbi or Fawzi al-Bahraini or Abu Khadeeja for the spread of extremism while exonerating al-Madkhali. Finally, al-Madkhali and his follower should realize that their words are being recorded by the angels, and very soon will be the reckoning, Nas’alullah al-Aafiyah…
Madkhali’s Corrupt Principles: Tabdee’ by Association
Mar 12th
This courtesy of Salafitalk:
Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee on the Principle: Let us not Make our Disagreement about Someone Else a Cause for Disagreement Between Us
Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee on the Principle: Let us not Make our Disagreement about Someone Else a Cause for Disagreement Between Us – The Scholar of al-Madeenah is asked about one of the corrupt principles of ‘Alee al-Halabee, wherein he says, “It is not permissible for us to make our disagreement with someone else besides us into a disagreement between us.” The Shaykh clarifies the falsehood of this principle and warns against those who have infiltrated into the ranks of Ahlus-Sunnah today. ‘Alee al-Halabee said,
quote:
“And we must not have enmity towards all of the people for the sake of ['Abdur-Rahmaan] ‘Abdul-Khaaliq. We clarify and we say a statement that we have said more than once: It is not permissible for us to make our disagreement with someone else besides us into a disagreement between us.”
Refer to Notification to the Intelligent Part 4 (p. 4, 8-9).
On the first night of Ramadaan, 1429H, Shaykh Rabee’ Ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee was asked about the principle, “We must not make our disagreement about someone else a cause for disagreement amongst ourselves.” So the noble Shaykh answered,
“It is a corrupt principle, and with it they want to not perform tabdee’ (declaring one an innovator) and jarh (criticism, disparagement) of those who deserve the jarh and the tabdee’, such as al-Maghraawee, Abul-Hasan al-Ma`ribee and Muhammad Hassaan.”
SOURCE: http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?t=364982
More to follow on this topic inshaa` Allaah…
***********************************
In other words, anyone who does not make tabdee of those who we make tabdee’ of is a mubtadi’. Anyone who associates with someone we make tabdee’ of is a mubtadi, or a hizbi, or his manhaj is in question.
It is significant to note that the ongoing feud between Halabi-Madkhali (or Spubs and Brixton Mosque) is between different strands of Madkhalism, and many of the personalities around which this feud is focused (as Madkhalism is amongst all things obsessed with personalities) are individuals such as al-Maghrawi who very much float in the sphere of Madkhali ideology.
**Note: to see an example of Madkhali extremism, click the Salafitalk link above to this document by this character, al-Za’taree: http://www.sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen4.pdf
Recent Comments